3,614 8. The omission of a regular tank turret made for simpler and more cost-effective production, enabling greater numbers to be built. By the middle of the Second World War it had developed into a potent anti-tank weapon, and the StuG III Ausf.G was produced in larger numbers than any single version of any other Ger… It was operated by 4 men crew. The more common of the two, the StuG III, was built on the chassis of the proven Panzer III. In November 1943, Alkett, GmbH, a major StuG III manufacturer, was bombed as part of the RAF campaign against Berlin, and Alkett's StuG production declined from 255 StuG IIIs in October 1943, to just 24 vehicles in December. The StuGs proved effective in a defensive role, but were a poor substitute for conventional tanks offensively. Stug IV (Sd.Kfz.167) was armed with 75mm StuK 40 L/48 gun mounted in cast "saukopf" mantlet. I happen to think he was one of most capable generals and military theorists of the 20th Century. Using the tanks high speed and maneuverability, you should generally stay away from enemies and damage them from afar with your weak armor and good … Luftwaffe fuel supplies really began to drop rapidly after that. 1500 of this model was produced, and it was called the Stug III/IV. Based on these experiences, the report made by the 11th Panzer division on January 22, 1943 regarding the Panzer III was: ↳   Operational Map Project & Archival Research, ↳   Unit Histories, Feldpost Numbers & Orders of Battle, ↳   Commanders, Personalities & Award Holders, ↳   Foreign Volunteers, Collaboration and Axis Allies, ↳   General WWII German Military Discussion. yes, quite right but the hellcat has poor armour so its a given anyway. Post Feb 03, 2018 #3 2018-02-03T15:46. by Roger Griffiths » Fri Oct 01, 2004 2:54 pm, Post It was developed by a … After seeing how bad the Stuh performs at 3.3 i started to think hard to find any reason for having Stug 3G at BR 4.3 - both have the same chasis/armor, and both are easy to destroy on all but medium-long range (lots of weakspots) - Germany has no low tier front line heavy tank, just a bunch of glass mediums, the Stug 3G was the only German low tier tank i had … Elevation of the gun? [2] Its mission was to destroy prepared defensive works, pill boxes, machine gun emplacements and tanks. October 1941 near Kalinin. In 1942 and 1943 the StuG was one of the most effective tracked fighting vehicles fielded by the belligerents, in terms of enemy vehicles destroyed. In 1942, a variant of the StuG Ausf. As a result, production was significantly reduced. It is a [3] The main armament, which had a limited lateral traverse, was mounted directly in a casemate-style hull. 4 years ago. They did have the 75mm gun[later versions]. yes, quite right but the hellcat has poor armour so its a given anyway. A 12-cylinder Maybach HL 120 TRM engine generating 300 hp drove the StuG III. by Alkie » Sun Oct 03, 2004 11:14 pm, Post I can't think of any Stug Abteilungen that had them. German StuG in Finland. IV H and J. Adolf said 'They're all against you so I can only go with them' Democracy in action. From December of 1943 to March of 1945, 1139 such "hybrids" were produced by Krupp-Gruson at Magdeburg (chassis number 89324 to 89382 and 100001 to unknown). The StuG III Ausf. A captured Syrian Panzer IV and StuG III are on display at the Armor Museum in Israel. by Alkie » Mon Oct 04, 2004 11:38 am, Post This vehicle first saw combat in France in 1940. This special assault gun is doctrine-specific and can only be called into the field using a special ability, not produced. Wot stug iii vs stug iv. Post Feb 03, 2018 … Combat weight was 23 tonnes, lighter than the 23.9 tonnes for the StuG III Ausf. The StuH 42 is essentially a StuG III Gwith a 10,5 cm howitzer. Panzer(Stug)Abteilungen of 4 and 17 SSPGD's, 5SSPD later (2 coys. ....(page 96) in 1943 the Alkett factory, which produced Stug III's, was carpet bombed by the USAF. Colonel Erich von Manstein recommended the concept of infantry Begleitbatterien (escort batteries) to General Beck, chief of the general staff in 1935. While the Hetzer has a top speed of 42km/h forwards and 12km/h in reverse to the StuG's 40km/h and 11km/h, the StuG, despite being heavier, has a much more powerful engine (320hp vs 220hp). Stug shoots almost double as fast, has the same range and its penetration is enough to penetrate almost every tank in front armor (except IS2 and ISU). Do you mean the PanzerIII which the Stugs were based on? StuG 3 v t34/76. Also remember that the sight is automatically set to 400 yards or so, so you might want to adjust it. Sturmgeschütz (abbreviated into StuG) meaning "assault gun" was a series of armored vehicles used by both the German Wehrmacht and the Waffen-SS armored formations during the Second World War that primarily consisted of the StuG III and StuG IV. And it was mechanically reliable. Unfortunately I don't have specific M4 vs StuG III statistics. G. On December 16–17, 1943, Hitler was shown the StuG IV, and approved it. The Sturmgeschütz IV (StuG IV) (Sd.Kfz. Hosted by Art. DB was to provide the hull and chassis and Krupp the detailed equipment, including the main gun, the 7.5 cm Geschütz L/24 für Sturmartillerie (Selbstf… F/8 and Ausf. They could not carry a 75mm L48 gun (turret ring too small) as tanks but could as assualt guns, along with heavier (and sloped) frontal armor. The StuG IV was a way to keep the StuG in production after the main assembly plant for it was bombed. .....started in the early fall of 1944. Yet roads,railways,trucks, parts factories, petrol stations were damaged/destroyed. Redbaron1908 Member Posts: 2023 Joined: 31 Dec 2002, 18:52 Location: Texas. AP projectile 85mm AA gun-from 1500m. F was designed with a 10.5 cm (4.1 in) true howitzer instead of the 7.5 cm StuK 40 L/43 cannon. To make up for the large deficit in StuG III production, StuG IV production received full support. Gs being used in the anti-tank role. In February 1943, at the suggestion of the Ministry of Armament, the Krupp company began trials of a new vehicle with the superstructure of the updated StuG III and the new suspension of the Pz.Kpfw. While the No provision for indirect firing? Aside from the chassis upon which either vehicle was based, is there any major substantive difference between the Stug III and Stug IV assault guns? The StuG III was based on a Panzer III chassis (hence the III), and it didn’t have a rotating turret. Regarding the Panzer 4. So the Panzer IV G, H or J. vs. the StuG III F, G or H. They're both medium tanks (9+), both sporting a heavy AT cannon and an MMG, both can get the Schürzen for extra protection against … The Krupp plant, which did not produce Panzer IIIs, used the Panzer IV chassis with a modified StuG III superstructure, with a box compartment for the driver added. IV, the Krupp company focused their attention on the … And having 2 tanks is much better than 1. Stug is faster but not as flexible in close corners. G (or just StuH 42 Ausf. It resulted in devastating the factory's ability to produce large numbers of Stugs for several months. He doesnt fit its role: The StuH 42, SdKfz 142/2, or Sturmhaubitze 42 was a self-propelled gun that was used by Germany during World War II. This made the StuG III battalion the most modern and powerful element of the Finnish armoured division, and it saw very extensive combat in the June-July summer battles. Some source apply designation Sd.Kfz.163 to Stug IV. From December of 1943 to March of 1945, 1139 such "hybrids" were produced by Krupp-Gruson at Magdeburg (chassis number 89324 to 89382 and 100001 to unknown). against easy 8s i tend to destroy them in two to three hits in the stug, with 3-4 for the panzer IV with apcr. Hello Axis-Guys I'm curious about the version of the Stug III in the following photographs: It's an accident from 17. A more powerful gun, the 75 mm Pak 40, was being developed, but it didn't fit in the turret of the Panzer III, Germany's primary medium tank at the time. 6. Hertzers and Stug III's could not be made as tanks capable of surviving on the Eastern Front. It was found, however, that the turretless StuGs had enough room in the crew compartment to handle the 75 mm Pak 40, and this modification was made. The StuG III was initially designated "StuG" but with the creation of the StuG IV (based on the Panzer IV chassis) it was re-designated the "StuG III" to distinguish the two. F was designed with a 105 mm (4.1 in) true howitzer instead of the 7.5 cm StuK 40 L/43 cannon. by kramer » Fri Oct 01, 2004 1:17 pm, Post StuG (Sturm Geschutz III) was a infantry support gun while Jagdpanzer IV was meant for tank killing (or tank hunting ) then there is no such waste of time in producing both ATST. The more common of the two, the StuG III, was built on the chassis of the proven Panzer III. by twsecrest » Fri May 18, 2018 1:57 pm, Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Limited. For further reading you might look into Steven Zaloga's books particularly M10 Tank Destroyer vs StuG III Assault Gun. Adolf in late 1943 requests that Stug IV's should be issued to panzer units 'if possible', and they were. German weapons, vehicles and equipment 1919-1945. The chassis, for starters. borys68. G is a German tier 5 tank destroyer. Stugs started off as artillery vehicles with short 75's. In a December 1943 conference, Hitler welcomed the suggestion of taking the StuG III superstructure and mounting it on a Panzer IV chassis to offset the loss of production of the StuG III. AP (solid) projectile … Its maximum speed was 25 mph, and the power reserve was about 96 miles. These new vehicles, designated StuH 42 (Sturmhaubitze 42, Sd.Kfz 142/2), were designed to provide infantry support with the increased number of StuG III Ausf. Stug shoots almost double as fast, has the same range and its penetration is enough to penetrate almost every tank in front armor (except IS2 and ISU). against gen. lee tanks and standard sherman its … Daimler-Benz AG was given the order to develop and produce such a weapon on June 15, 1936. It's armor is worse, but it's cannon is almost the same. 167), was a German assault gun variant of the Panzer IV used in the latter part of the Second World War. The Sturmhaubitze 42 Ausf. III tank until 1945. I had thought the primary reason for the StuG was its simpler to build[no turret] and had a lower profile[smaller target to hit]. The superstructure of the StuG III Ausf. I built the Academy kit of the Stug IV recently, and I'm curious. 1 Overview 2 Weapons 2.1 75mm StuK 40 L/48 2.2 7.92 mm Maschinengewehr 42 3 Veterancy 4 Tactics 5 Weaknesses 6 Variants 7 Quotes 8 Gallery The Stug IV, an abbreviation of Sturmgeschütz IV, is an assault gun, a type of self-propelled artillery. Having canceled the production of the Pz. StuG III Ausf.G from the 23rd Sturmgeschütz Brigade in Russia, late 1943. The Blitzkrieg Doctrinemust be active before it can be called into the field. Sturmgeschütz (abbreviated into StuG) meaning "assault gun" was a series of armored vehicles used by both the German Wehrmacht and the Waffen-SS armored formations during the Second World War that primarily consisted of the StuG III and StuG IV.The more common of the two, the StuG III, was built on the chassis of the proven Panzer III.The StuG III was initially designated "StuG… Both StuG models were given an exclusively tank destroyerrole in German formations and tactical planning in the last two years of the war, greatly augmenting the capability of the dwindling tank force available to the German ar… 1 Overview 2 Weapons 2.1 75mm StuK 40 L/48 2.2 7.92 mm Maschinengewehr 42 3 Veterancy 4 Tactics 5 Weaknesses 6 Variants 7 Quotes 8 Gallery The Stug IV, an abbreviation of Sturmgeschütz IV, is an assault gun, a type of self-propelled artillery. I used to own one, and from my experience it's better than the Panzer 3, but not in the same league as the Panther. In December of 1943, Stug IV was introduced, it was essentially a slightly modified Stug III superstructure (such as extended driver's compartment) mounted on Panzer IV chassis. The main German anti-tank gun, the 37 mm Pak 36, also proved unable to penetrate the armor of these Soviet designs. Its maximum speed was 25 mph, and the power reserve was about 96 miles. of I Abteilung) all had them. Dave AAA. by Roger Griffiths » Sat Sep 25, 2004 6:29 am, Post By 1944, 9,346 of these self-propelled guns destroyed about 20,000 enemy … It was not intended to be used to exploit breakthroughs and drive into the enemy rear areas, as the Panzertruppen units were intended to do. This tended to pull the vehicle towards an AT role. At least it did according the charts I've seen. against easy 8s i tend to destroy them in two to three hits in the stug, with 3-4 for the panzer IV with apcr. The M10 was built on the M4 chassis, and carried a 3-inch gun similar to the M4's 76mm. This became terribly obvious when the 6th Panzer Division with about 150 long-barrel 50MM Panzer III's (and a small number of effective long barrel 75MM Pz IV's) led the relief effort to break the Stalingrad ring, with the help of the seriously understrength 11th panzer division, made up of smaller numbers of primarily of Panzer III's. A machine gun and shield were added to later versions. A number of captured StuGs were refurbished in the Soviet Union and given to Syria, along with some Panzer IVs, where they were used briefly against Israel. They created five prototypes, based on the chassis of the Panzer III, which were not useful for combat operations but did prove valuable for training.[3]. Thus the panzer regiments continued to be equipped with Panzer IV and Panther medium tanks for offensive operations. The StuG III's 75 mm KwK 40 L/48 gun could penetrate the M4A1's front armor at 1000 meters or more (except the gun mantlet). Up-armored StuG III Ausf.G from an unidentified unit at the third battle of Kharkov, February 1943. The quote below is from achtungpanzer.com. There may have been intrasevice reasons as well. I never build Panther. by Bob from Accounting » Tue Sep 21, 2004 2:41 pm, Post Then the whole thing goes pear shaped. The point I was making about the chassis of the Stug III and Hertzer (translation: "Troublemaker") is that the tank turrents that previously resided on these chassis could not support a capable anti-tank gun, or thick sloped armor. IV H and J. The lack of an internal light machine gun in early models left the StuG vulnerable to close-range infantry attack. 14K 3,302 5. Post by Redbaron1908 » 23 Jul 2003, 18:05 It was operated by 4 men crew. sfn error: no target: CITEREFSkaarup2011 (, Learn how and when to remove this template message, "Sturmgeschütz: StuG III, StuH and StuG IV", Sturmgeschutz III/IV at Achtung Panzer website, Photos of the Sturmgeschütz III at the Canada War Museum in Ottawa Ontario, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sturmgeschütz&oldid=1007394817, World War II self-propelled artillery of Germany, Articles needing additional references from February 2016, All articles needing additional references, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License, This page was last edited on 17 February 2021, at 22:33. After the specifications arrived at the OKH, an order was passed to Daimler-Benz AG and Krupp for delivering a prototype by June 15, 1936. Majority was issued in companies to infantry divisions with few exceptions. Having canceled the production of the Pz. The Sturmgeschütz III G (known as StuG G in Flames of War) was a German self-propelled gun of WW2, often used as a tank destroyer. A 12-cylinder Maybach HL 120 TRM engine generating 300 hp drove the StuG III. Stug is faster but not as flexible in close corners. The StuG III was initially designated "StuG" but with the creation of the StuG IV (based on the Panzer IVchassis) it was re-designated t… These new vehicles, designated StuH 42 (Sturmhaubitze 42, Sd.Kfz 142/2), were designed to provide infantry support with the increased number of StuG III Ausf. The StuG was also used in Finland post-war where one unit even mixed StuGs and British turreted 'Charioteer' tank destroyers. The crew consisted of 4 people. G) is a rank II German tank destroyer with a battle rating of 3.0 (AB/RB/SB). I can't pick many holes in what you guys are writing but consider this. A light, low-profile tank destroyer designed according to General Heinz Guderian's specifications. The new vehicle proved to be an effective tank destroyer. Dave AAA. The Imperial War Museum's Duxford site also has an ex-Finland StuG but its markings are more ambiguous. It was produced, in several modifications, on the basis of the Pz. Nominal: 3.9 s 50% Crew: 4.83 s 75% Crew: 4.22 s 100% Crew: 3.74 s Rammer: 3.37 s ... Low HP for a tier 4 TD Performance. As a result, production was significantly reduced. It was developed by a … G was mounted on a Panzer IV chassis 7. You have to get the equipment to the Front.. Kramer, Guderian tried to get hold of Stug production for PD's and PGD's in April 1943 on being appointed Generalinspekteur der Panzertruppen. Jagdpanzer Grenadier Division “Totenkopf”, Kursk, summer 1943. The high velocity guns were not that important in the initial role. Because of the decreased costs and ease of production, the Germans began to use the StuGs to replace standard tank losses. Following the invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941, a significant problem developed when it was discovered that the main armament on the Panzer II and III tanks were inadequate to deal with the newer Soviet T-34 and KV-1 tanks. Over 10,000 StuGs were eventually produced.[4]. It was at that time that Stug IV was either put into production or production was accelerated as a stopgap measure to supply assault guns to the various fronts. Unlike other, heavier Wehrmacht armored vehicles, the StuG III was built in large numbers, over 10,000 though the best information I have says only 1,600 were deployed on the Western Front. In November 1943, British aircraft bombed Alkett, a large manufacturer of StuG IIIs. by SvenW » Mon Oct 04, 2004 12:04 am, Post First, assault guns came into their own for a number of reasons. The StuG was an artillery vehicle for infantry support while JgPz were meant for AT units. 11 posts • Page 1 of 1. mav Member Posts: 14 Joined: 22 Jul 2006, 13:05 ... 4. [5] They were used in this fashion as German losses of all types of armored vehicles now exceeded production. It was still an effective weapon in 1945 but would have been obsolete within 2 years after that. I'm confused. The Hetzer was produced from April 1944 to May 1945, with a total of 2,584 vehicles manufactured. However, the lack of a traverse movement in the gun meant the entire vehicle had to be turned left or right to acquire targets, which proved to be a significant weakness at times. Message forum of the Feldgrau.com research community, Post StuGs did survive on the Eastern front. Kramer, as far as the silhouette, you are right, it was very low with the Stug III, Stug IV (Guderian's Duck) and the Hertzer. Between 1942 … The StuG III Ausf.B looks and plays a lot like its tier 5 older brother, the StuG III Ausf.G. The StuG was more successful in defensive roles, such as ambush, rather than as an offensive vehicle. When it first appeared the Sturmgeschütz, or as it is more commonly known the StuG III, was a unique weapon – a powerful artillery gun mounted on a fully armoured, tracked, low slung chassis based on the Panzer III medium tank, and designed to provide close support for the German infantry. In December of 1943, Stug IV was introduced, it was essentially a slightly modified Stug III superstructure (such as extended driver's compartment) mounted on Panzer IV chassis. At first the Stug 3 had a short barreled 75mm gun, but it was upgraded into a long barreled 75 as a countermeasure to the Russian t34. This restarted the Sturmgeschütz IV project, which had earlier been considered and rejected. Still, the StuG III was an effective armored fighting vehicle long after the Panzer III had been retired as a main battle tank. Initially, they were intended as armored self-propelled guns providing close fire support to the infantry to destroy bunkers, pillboxes and other entrenched positions. Following the defeat of the German Empire in World War I, military commanders from the Reichswehr began to consider how mobile armored artillery units could provide support to advancing infantry units. Initially a secondary capability, employment as an anti-tank weapon became more important as the war progressed. Production rates were better than for panzers IV and V. So production continued until the end of the War. 1 Overview 2 In Flames of War 2.1 Unit organization 2.2 Model kits 3 Model assembly 4 Painting 5 Combat efficiency 6 Image gallery The StuG III G assault gun was by far the most widely produced and used in the StuG series. I don't know if the plants making StuG bodies could have easily been converted to JgPz IV body production or if JgPz IV production could have completely replaced StuG production. A Stu Stug IV (Sd.Kfz.167) was armed with 75mm StuK 40 L/48 gun mounted in cast "saukopf" mantlet. The purpose of this addition was so that the Wehrmacht would have an effective combat support unit that would work well against infantry. 3,614 8. borys68. It was based upon the StuG … Only about 1,300 StuH 42s were produced and were based on the StuG III F/8 and G models. Top. Some StuG IIIs were modified with a co-axial machine gun as well. And on top of that, you can build 2 StuG for 1 Panther at almost the same cost. Using a powerful modified 75mm assault gun, it is known as a very effective tank killer. And on top of that, you can build 2 StuG for 1 Panther at almost the same cost. Sturmgeschütz (abbreviated into StuG) meaning "assault gun" was a series of armored vehicles used by both the German Wehrmacht and the Waffen-SS armored formations during the Second World War that primarily consisted of the StuG III and StuG IV. In 1942, a variant of the StuG Ausf. 5. German StuG in Finland. In February 1943, at the suggestion of the Ministry of Armament, the Krupp company began trials of a new vehicle with the superstructure of the updated StuG III and the new suspension of the Pz.Kpfw. The total weight of the StuH was aroun… Alkie, I've seen those 'posters' you mention and there are a couple here,too.Tank producton was still high considering. Meanwhile, heavier armed tank destroyers were developed, such as the Jagdpanzer IV and the Jagdpanther, which combined the low silhouette of the StuG with the heavier armament of the Panther and Tiger II tanks, respectively. 1 Description 2 Variants 3 History 4 References It had a Maybach HL 120 engine that was capable of propelling it at speeds of up to 40 km/h. On December 17, 1942, the primary battle group in the relief effort lost 90 of their 120 available panzers (although some were repaired and fought again). F/8 and Ausf. I'd say if you are new to mediums get the Panzer 4. https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/nazi_germany/sturmgeschutz-iv.php Another StuG III, in the possession of The Wheatcroft Collection, is awaiting restoration. The Stug IV or StuG IV is an Axis heavy vehicle unit that is featured in Company of Heroes. Not much. by Alkie » Thu Sep 30, 2004 11:27 pm, Post It was based upon the StuG IIIAusf. The first vehicles were produced by December 1943. The first vehicles were produced by December 1943. Not only was its main gun powerful enough to knock out the new Soviet tanks, but the Panzer III chassis on which it was based was highly mobile and reliable, and the increased armor plating combined with its low silhouette made it a difficult vehicle to destroy. There is some controversy about Guderian and how truthful his memoirs are. And having 2 tanks is much better than 1. Concentrated bombing of Synthetic Fuel factories... An Agitator is pretty much the same as a troublemaker. In November 1943, British aircraft bombed Alkett, a large manufacturer of StuG IIIs. by Patrick » Tue Sep 21, 2004 6:38 pm, Post They had AT capability out to 800m but the primary purpose was to neutralize strongpoints. The Stug IV or StuG IV is an Axis heavy vehicle unit that is featured in Company of Heroes. They were also issued to some army PGD's and not a few ID's. [1] Manstein theorized the vehicle would not be used as one uses a tank, but rather as an infantry support vehicle to destroy fortified objectives through direct fire. against gen. lee tanks and standard sherman its about same. They were very similar in that they were low to the ground and had armoured casement instead of a turret. AP (solid) projectile of English 57mm tank gun -from 600m. It was introduced in Update 1.49 "Weapons of Victory". The Wikipedia article says they didn't work well as StuG substitutes but doesn't say why. I haven't played the game yet, but I've played around with list building quite a bit, so take what I say as you want. He doesnt fit its role: feels like a medium tank: - high mibilty - moderate AI (3 MGs) … 14K 3,302 5. quote;The reason for this was numbers. by Alkie » Wed Sep 22, 2004 11:47 pm, Post The crew consisted of 4 people. From December of 1943 to March of 1945, 1139 such "hybrids" were produced by Krupp-Gruson at Magdeburg (chassis number 89324 to 89382 and 100001 to unknown). did start going into PD's and PGD's and the practice spread as time went on. StuG III Ausf.G from the Abt. The Stug 3 and Stug 4 were probably the most cost effective German armoured fighting vehicles of WW2. However, Stugs. It had a Maybach HL 120 engine that was capable of propelling it at speeds of up to 40 km/h. The Stug IV is effective both against infantry and enemy tanks. F chassis with its most notable difference being the addition of an L/28 howitzer for its main gun. A Finnish StuG (posing as a German one) appears in the movie The Eagle Has Landed, and ex-Finnish StuGs have since turned up in British war museums. The StuG III became Nazi Germany's most produced armored fighting vehicle during World War II, with some 10,000 examples manufactured. by Roger Griffiths » Sat Sep 25, 2004 7:02 am, Post This gives it a higher specific power (hp/tonne), allowing it to accelerate faster. Was'nt it Guderian who requested more StuGs production over tanks? The Bovington Tank Museum in Dorset has one painted in Finnish markings. The chassis, for starters. This created the lowest possible profile in order to reduce the vehicle's height, making the StuG more difficult to hit and easier to protect in hull defilade. Yes, the Stug IV was built as a result of the bombing of the Alkett factory. I never build Panther. The first production units, the Sturmgeschütz III Ausf A, arrived in 1940 mounted with the short barreled 75 mm StuK 37L/24 gun and increased frontal hull armor (from 30 mm to 50 mm). The StuG III was based on a Panzer III chassis (hence the III), and it didn’t have a rotating turret. by kramer » Sat Sep 25, 2004 6:49 am, Post There was a big conference and the Artillery Arm saw him off. It was a little higher with the JadgPanther. by Alkie » Thu Sep 30, 2004 11:41 pm, Post The StuG was used primarily within the Sturmartillerie, a branch of the artillery in the Wehrmacht. It was identical in role and concept to the highly successful StuG III assault gun variant of the Panzer III. Discussions on all aspects of the USSR, from the Russian Civil War till the end of the Great Patriotic War and the war against Japan. 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